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The Battle of the Weakest Links

By Bobby Mac

OK, for a bit of fun with the usual suspects decrying the Vitali Klitschko title defense against Albert The Dragon Sosnowski. The complainant is usually moaning about the golden days when there was only one champ fighting the toughest contenders, blah, blah, blah.

But, just how valid is that complaint? Let’s take a look at the heavyweight champs who put together a nice, long title run and find out which challengers were the weakest and run them head to head against Sosnowski for the WBC, Weak Boxing Council Heavyweight Title.

Sosnowski vs Klitschko

Sosnowski vs Klitschko

Jim Jeffries: Jack Finnegan, The Pittsburg Stogie, 180 lbs with a record of 1-2-2, 1 KO with 2 losses by KO.

Result: Not hard to envision the 6-2, 225 lb Dragon knocking out The Pittsburg Stogie sooner rather than later.

Jack Johnson:  Tony Ross, 5-9, 215lbs with a record of 11-6-2, 11 KO with 4 losses by KO combined with 2 DQs. The “Italian Bearcat” 1-3-2 going into the bout.

Result: I’d imagine this would be a fairly easy Sosnowski KO. Ross had a win over fringe contender Mike Schreck and a win over Lightheavy HOFer George Gardener in his last bout on a losing streak, not enough to beat a prime Sosnowski in the shape of his life.

Jack Dempsey:  Jimmy Darcy, 40-32-33. A ton of fights against the era’s HOFers, Fighting Jimmy was briefly a top era middleweight with knockdowns of ironmen Harry Greb and Tommy Loughran. He was a Dempsey sparring partner going into this 4 rd exhibition. It was only technically considered a title fight by a ruling by the New York State Athletic Commission.

Result: Fighting Jimmy is actually a threat over 4 rounds that he was a specialist in. His best wins are against era title challenger Fireman Flynn, but I seriously doubt he has a prayer over any true champsionship distance against big Albert.

Joe Louis: Cynics of course christened a period of Louis defenses “Bum of the Month Club,” but those fighters actually had Ring rankings. While Louis was in the Army in 1942, he boxed an 4 rd exhibition in New York against one Johnny Davis, 190 lbs, 3-3-0, and, yepper, you guessed it, those loony New York State Athletic Commishes ruled that it was a title fight.

Result:  Johnny lasted 53 seconds against Louis and went on long losing knockout streaks after this bout, going 2-15. Maybe Johnny lasts longer, but how much longer is a moot point. He was a knockout waiting to happen, so another Sosnowski walkover, making him 4-0, 4 KO on my card, so, moving on….

Ezzard Charles: Charles had a nice 9 win title streak going that typically passes under the boxing radar. Freddie Beshore was 5-9, 185 lbs, 28-8-1 with 2 losses by KO going into his title challenge against Charles, 3-3 in his last 6 bouts.

Result: Beshore’s best win was over HOFer Tiger Jack Fox at the end of his career, but, otherwise lost to era contenders. Sorry, but I just can’t see a 5-9 fighter of his talent level giving Big Albert much bother. Beshore lasted 14 against 185lb  Charles, so maybe he could go a 12rd distance, but, regardless of Sosnowski’s few failings, he’s much more consistent and would be a lopsided favorite.

Floyd Patterson: Well, Floyd is a rare combination of underrated and overrated champion noted for avoiding his era’s strongest challenges. His weakest opponent hands down is Pete Rademacher, a full sized heavyweight at 6-1, 200 lbs, but only 0-0-0, 0 KO. Yup, that’s no typo. Pete was the Olympic heavyweight gold medalist given a title fight on his debut.

Pete Rademacher

Pete Rademacher

Result: Pete put up a decent scrap, flooring Patterson in the 2nd round and was within a few seconds of making it into the 7th round, but unfortunately was knocked down 6x. Sorry to say, this has to be another walkover for Albert. Figure he’s up 6-0, 5 KO for the WBC title.

Muhammed Ali: Ali had two solid runs and has several weak champs he defended against, but one name stands out, Jean Pierre Coopman, The Lion of Flanders, a solid 6-0, 205, 24-3-0, a pretty decent record, right?

Result: Jean Pierre had never fought out of Belgium, never fought much less beat even a fringe contender, and his career took a distinct southward turn after his 5th round KO by Ali. Yes sir, another walkover for big Albert.

Joe Frazier: Smokin’ was the heavyweight of the 60s for me when you look at who he fought, but when he won the title he found a couple of soft defenses against Manuel Ramos and David Zyglewicz. Ramos had the patchy record, but had beaten a legit era contender in Eddie Machen, so enter Ziggy into our WBC elimination, 5-10, 190 lbs, 28-1, but never having fought much less beat a fringe contender.

Result: Ziggy fought well for 1:36 of the 1st round, but that was all he was good for. Ziggy had a little power and was squat, waterbug quick and has an outside punchers chance in a good style matchup, but I gots to go with Sosnowski in this, a much bigger, more proven heavy.

Larry Holmes: Holmes padded out his record big time running up 20 straight title wins. Los Tres Amigos, Alfredo Evanglista, Lucien Rodriguez, and Lorenzo Zanon stand out as weak Europeans as getting title shots only by beating each other. Enter one ex champ and Olympic Lightheavy Gold Medalist, Leon Neon Spinks, 6-1, 200 lbs, 10-2-2 with one loss by KO.

Leon!

Leon!

Result: Leon was in the process of dissipation, though he managed to knock out a fading Evanglista and Bernardo Mercado who managed to obtain a Ring ranking. OK, Leon was fast, active, and aggressive and it’s possible he could outwork Big Al. However, in his 9 KO losses, Leon never saw the end of the 7th round and 4 of those Kos came in the 1st round. Got to favor Sosnowski here, but Leon is a live dog and closes the odds.

Mike Tyson: Tyson’s first run as champ was super solid, whereas I’m tempted to ignore his 2nd run which was a fraud perpetuated on the public. The Peter McNeeley fight was a joke, but he regained his title against a good era contender/champ Frank Bruno, so enter his first defense,Bruce Seldon , 6-1, 230 lbs with all his losses coming against era champs, McCall, Bowe, and Tubbs. Seldon had beaten a number of fringe contenders, contenders, and former champs though and was a legit ranked heavy.

Result: Seldon is by far the biggest, strongest, most dangerous opponent for Sosnowski. He performed pathetically against Tyson, but wouldn’t be too afraid to put his punches together against Sosnowski. I’d make Seldon the favorite here, so Albert takes his first loss, losing his WBC crown to make him 9-1-0, 8 KO thus far.

Lennox Lewis: Lewis had a pretty good run that made him the heavyweight of the 90s, so enter one Phil Jackson, 6-1, 215 lbs, 30-1 with one KO loss to Razor Ruddock.

Result: Jackson had only faced one contender, was smashed to smidgets and never showed he could be a ranked fighter. Sosnowski has the more credible career, is bigger, stronger and has to be the favorite. I’m thinking a wide decision for big Albert, now being the 2x WBC champ with a useful title record of 10-1-0, 8 KO.

My conclusion is that the history is clear. Vitali has plenty of leeway before anyone has any rights to complain about the quality of Albert Sosnowski regardless of the result.

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The Bellyache Heard around the Boxing World

By Bobby Mac

Manny Pacquiao was admitted to a local Manila hospital for a few days this past Sunday after an ulcer was found in a routine checkup by his doctor. His mother says he’ll be released in a few days.

Voter Manny

Voter Manny

The ulcer was reported as minor, but unfortunately, Manny Pacquiao works in one of the most intensely competitive and painful sports in the world, professional championship boxing, prizefighting by any other name. Any boo-boo, any hint of weakness discovered in a prizefighter is something for vicious highly trained opponents to pick at, to open up, and to obliterate.

Manny has been in ascendency for a long time now with seemingly a bottomless well of improving performances to draw from, such that against the biggest, strongest, most prime, most recent champions, he has given his best, most domineering performances. That’s a 15 yr run of ascendency against most of the stiffest competition available to him, one of the finest records of modern times.

Well, after all, Manny was voted as the defacto first ever fighter of the 3rd millennium when he swept all the major media outlet fighter of the decade awards, not to mention also being voted as the 2nd best fighter of all time sandwiched in between Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali who’s legacies need no additional explanation.

So, it ain’t just me beating the drum for Mr. Manny, excuse me, Senator Pacquiao if you please. It’s the boxing writers, the larger media, and the people, the most globally diverse collection in the history of sports who have anointed his greatness.

Senator Manny

Senator Manny

So, where does a newly elected Senator who is known as the 2nd best fighter in the history of boxing, the best of the 3rd millennium, where does he go from here?

Well, if you will forgive me for mentioning the obvious, the hospital of course, where presumably he is receiving an expert diagnosis, care, and hopefully some rest and reflection. Can anyone who has kept up with his breathless career and formidable extraneous activities, can they really imagine this dynamo at rest and reflection?

No can say. Even if I were one of his inside generals running interference for him as he parts the seas around the globe, I would not feel confident of being able to read exactly what ticks on his clock, the likes of which has never been seen in this world before. I do know that common sense dictates that mere mortals cannot pursue high elective office while operating at such a high level of excellence in sports, much less carrying on at this level of boxing which is the least forgiving of any sport.

Now, it also needs to be mentioned that Bob Arum is on record as having picked a couple of concurrent dates in November for Pacquiao’s next bout and is in active negotiations to secure his next opponent, so it appears Manny is going to give this Senator/Championship Prizefighter gig a good go for at least one more fight, but will he be the Manny of old?

There is no model for what he is attempting, yet the oddsmakers will be setting odds because that is their job come hell or highwater, or will this be one of those rare bouts where the major bookies refuse to set the odds?

The choice of the opponent comes into play, with many if not most wanting that opponent to be Floyd Mayweather Jr., the fighter who has crashed the Pacquiao celebrations without ever showing an inclination to step up to the scratch line against Manny and fire off a punch.

After all, Manny is on record as saying he is willing to meet Mayweather’s 14 day cut off date of drug testing that Floyd famously demanded in the closing seconds of their scheduled fight that knocked the fight off Manny’s March 13th docket.

Yet, if there has been any response out of Golden Boy Promotions or the Mayweather camp, I haven’t heard or been privy to any of them. Arum, Pacquiao and his team, and the boxing media appear to be the only ones beating the drum over this fight.

Why the silence?

Is the Mayweather brain trust huddled in a secured bunker deep under a Vegas mountain mapping election returns and medical reports to divine the ultimate super plan to derail the Pacquiao express?

Well, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, so I guess we will have to wait for Golden Boy and Team Mayweather to clear their throats and their slates.

Stay tuned, this is a serial drama after all with plenty more fun installments to come.

How The Greatest Boxing Web Forum in History Crumbled Into Dust

by Bobby Mac

http://www.fanhouse.com/forums/Boxing/?bid=1a719a90faaa44dc8cf621222922d844&pid=/

The above link will take you to AOL’s weak reincarnation of what used to be boxing’s greatest forum, indeed, what arguably used to be the world’s greatest website, but today, it’s struggling for relevance and revenue.

AOL

AOL

AOL turned out to be more like Enron, all bubble and no ma$$.

Sure, the founders and early investors made out like bandits as the tech bubble swelled, but the story of AOL and Enron should be part of any business course to study how a corporation can gather a huge dominant market share with savvy marketing only to ((PoP)) like a shining, rainbow hued soap bubble for a lack of credible product and/or leadership to hold everything together.

AOL’s website was easily on par with todays’ yahoo/msn with one huge advantage: They hosted largest web forum in the world that created the greatest global internet dialogue I’ve ever seen. Now, their AOL-Fanhouse forum is but a spare set of bones.

The level of debate and qualifications so many brought to bear on the old AOL forum was outstanding overall. Home Internet access and PC use was still somewhat limited in those days. I paid some $2000 for a state of the art IBM in 1998 for example, a healthy hunk of change. However, even in those golden days the political forums were dominated by the unceasing  salvos of spam in the never ending War of the Reds & Blues bound and determined to take the US down.

By Jove, what a boxing board we had, though.

We were graced at times by the presence of Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, and various writers. There was a curious fella by the name of Rick Farris, a journeyman pro boxer out of the 60-70s ama/pro California ranks who was a constant source of insider information on Indian Red and Little Red Lopez, Bobby Chacon, the Olympic Auditorium, and all the rest of the great Cali boxing scene. On the east coast we had a host of expugs headed up by Ice John Scully who showed us the cool calm demeanor he used as a former contender by deftly jabbing and moving through all the insipid schoolboy internet challenges.

Ice John

Ice John

I remember one regular out of Jersey way got so incensed at Ice that he drove the 3-4 hour trip up to Hartford where Scully trained the likes of Jason Litzau, Chad Dawson,  Lawrence Clay-Bey among others so as to knock his block off.

Imagine the puzzlement of the regulars to find some goof storming their gym spittin’ fire about Ice only to find out Ice was on the road handling a big fight for one of his boys!

PureDeeComedy back at ye olde forum it was and just an example of the monkey shines that went on.

Well, that fight fizzled out as quick as his angry red gave way to embarrassed magenta, but God Bless Ice, he was always up for a spar against any local internet warriors to prove his points. One day I hope to actually find him in his gym for a friendly go and give him some needle on his biography he’s been writing going on a decade now.

The usual stock story about AOL’s decline was the rapid move by customers from their AOL dial up service to DSL, broadband, and satellite. This of course ignores that it was AOL that bought up the Time/Warner communication giant which was the largest provider of broadband and satellite services in the US, so AOL should’ve been perfectly poised to piggyback their brand on the new gains of the Time Warner business, but instead their loyal customers fled for other websites.

Why is that you might be scratching your head?

Well, it’s simple folks, the boys that ran AOL and now also ran Time Warner had arrived at that exact point in time where the Peter Principle starts to take effect:

“In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence.”

The stock market high tech bubble had popped which was then exacerbated by subsequent 9/11 attacks, and then the corporate accounting scandals of Enron, MCI, and others leading to AOL’s brand suffering a precipitous drop in value. The AOL marketing boys changed their “old” familiar forum format from a user friendly one to a strange “new and improved upgrade” top down lineal system that was akin to carrying on a conversation through two tin cans connected by a 100 foot string.

The exodus was on.

Oh, dear, how I’ve missed those halcyon day boxing forums, and baseball too. Having myriad conversations with folks from all walks of life was intoxicating in it’s own right, particularly with the boxing and religious forums since English speaking fans from the UK, Australia, Europe, Africa, and Latin America also had access to duke it out.

There are dozens of boxing forums now, maybe a hundred or more, but none match the perfect balance of size, quality, and respect we had on the old AOL forums, it’s simply not found in today’s largest forums who need no mention. Not that I would never claim we were all a collection of AOL saintly boxing genii having our tea and crumpets in the garden, no sir, but we did have a touch of class and humor to round out the rougher edges of our pugilistic instincts and inevitably ran across one or the other at a local boxing match.

Which is how I met Benny Henderson who still writes for Doghouse boxing.

Big Dog Benny

Big Dog Benny

I was covering the Juan Diaz/Billy Irwin title defense with Calvin Brock/Clifford Ettienne on the undercard for the soon to be hacked out of existence Boxing Central website when he asked me for the best directions from Dallas to the Reliant Center in Houston.

Lemme tell you, Benny is B-I-G with fists the size of Virginia hams and he was there with his cousin, I’ll call him Bluto because he looked like Bluto of the Popeye the Sailor Man cartoons had Bluto been training on a steroid and sumo diet.

These boys were so BIG that even their shadows were knocking my skinny ass around.

They promptly sandwiched me between’em, eyeing me like a pair big ol’ grizzlies eye a freshly cut T-bone yukking it up about their latest fights. Lemme tell, there was NO EXIT, so I just smiled and nodded and prayed for survival and oxygen.

Fortunately for me they was just some good ol’ boys from Texas and we got along great, so I figured on using them to hide behind if any spectator fights spilled over to ringside.

Oh, and Benny finally did have his belated pro debut at a slimmed down 363 lbs the very next  year, 2006, and he sports a perfect record of 2 fights–2 rounds–2wins–2 KOs in 2 minutes of total ring time, so take that Mr. Money!

Big Dog Barkin'

Big Dog Barkin’

Of course I like where I post and write at now, so don’t get me wrong, but a news lead today was the 25th anniversary of the founding of AOL, so I couldn’t help but wonder what kind of koolaide those boys at AOL started drinking to run down their organization so rapidly. The boys they bought out, Time Warner, finally kicked em out on their keisters last year and told them they’re on their own now.

Who’d have ever thunk that back then?

It would’ve never gone down like that had Benny and I been running the show, I know that.

 

The Drumbeat For Pacquiao vs Mayweather

History will show that Manny Pacquiao drummed up a lopsided drubbing on the battered noggin of one hard nut by way of Ghana named Joshua Clottey this past March 13th.

He then returned to the Philippines where he is making a run for congress in his district, his boxing on hold except to watch the recent Floyd Mayweather scare against Shane Mosley where Floyd almost didn’t make it out of the 2nd rd.

However, Mayweather proved he is no longer just another Pretty Boy, instead upending the rest of the fight to his favor, delivering a beating and a half on the now stilled carcass of what used to be Sugar Shane Mosley.

So, now both have open schedules again, waiting, waiting and listening to the steady drumbeat of the rest of the boxing world growing ever louder.

The Resurrection of Pacquiao vs Mayweather.

Little has changed since this was penned in January of this year except that each has padded out his record and is ready for TBA:

The Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight will be resurrected eventually, we know that.

It was too oh so too close to fruition, oh so, so flush with the mother’s milk of boxing, money, yet oh so hook us all up to the butt kicking machine, epic deeds flushed away by the scourge of mankind through the ages, the destructive hubris of vain men who should know better.

Face off

Face off

The nature the resurrection takes will depend on the settlement of the lawsuit Manny Pacquiao filed against Golden Boy Promotions, CEO Richard Schaefer, Floyd Mayweather Sr., and his son, Floyd Mayweather Jr for libel, slander and defamation. This is a serious lawsuit with some seriously, top shelf lawyers crossing sharp legal briefs with a King’s ransom worth of damages and reputations at stake.

Boxing fans, of course, prefer the good fight in the ring rather than the legal posturings and maneuvers in the courtroom, but it is what it is, so, we move on to the consolation bouts, Pacquiao vs Clottey and Mayweather vs TBA.

With a bit of grace and perhaps some bolts of lightning from some big left hands, both Manny and Floyd will emerge victorious come March 13 so that cooler, more reasoned minds can move to settle the lawsuit out of court.

Surely the good will of a fair settlement would prime the pump of The Fight of the Millennium again so that contracts can be locked in place and the fighters properly primed and loaded into the breech of fistic history?

Well, the fight business is not always a sure thing however. One would think even a den of thieves could come to a mutual agreement over such magnificent spoils, but seldom is the case when any of the parties threatens to upend the whole pot into the roiling maelstrom of life.

Make no mistake, it is ultimately no more than the misguided posturing that each have assumed that has shelved this classic for the ages. Both fighters have their supporters who have already waged the good fight in message forums across the world with a blizzard of hard hitting posts. For the sake of argument, let us assume there is merit in both points of view, after all, the terms were quickly agreed to save the minor details of a single niggling blood test that apparently means more than all the riches in the world.

Gonna be frank here and speak for every man, woman, and child scrambling for a crumb out on the mean streets of this world, the word is out that Manny is afraid of a blood test and that Floyd is afraid to fight someone who might be a threat to his unbeaten record.

Did we hear that right?

Hey, I’m just sayin’ what everyone knows is out there. We, the unwashed masses don’t care about the niggling, numbing details anymore. Just make it happen, The Good Fight, The Fight of the Millennium.

We only have need for a single momentous marker to stamp where we were in our formative years long after you have ascended into The Great Pantheon of Immortals.

TOT

TOT

Make it happen, and I guarantee, win, lose, or draw, you gentlemen will be amazed and astounded at the public support and adoration, not to mention the remuneration ain’t too shabby neither.

“In Manny and Money we do trust.”

Ratings, Ring Ratings & Good Sport

by Bobby Mac

Now that the Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley fight has been settled in a definitive way with a wide unanimous decision by Mr. Money, the next raging debate is the welter and the P4P ranks by Ring Magazine.

Mayweather Connects

Mayweather Connects

Now, ratings are a strange thing. Almost nobody agrees with them. Even within the most widely used bodies that actually do the ratings which are done by consensus tallies, quite often there are pronounced splits leading to plurality consensus rather than an ideal comprehensive consensus.

My personal opinion is that the further from the first ranking the rank becomes, the more meaningless it becomes as objectivity and subjectivity tend to blur into a large fuzzy splot of consciousness more akin to debating the number of angels who could dance on the head of a pin as used to be all the rage by past century’s greatest intellects.

Often there is a consensus among the public as to who the top 2-3 spots are even if they disagree on the specific order.

Boxrec does the earliest updates, literally by the next day after every fight usually. It’s all done by the computer programming where an editor enters in the official results and out spits the fighter’s new point totals and ranking, making it the most objective of the rating’s system. The criteria used in the programming must have been created by Rube Goldberg’s grandson, a dense network of points for this and that and the other and points against that, this, and any other thing they can think of.

For a more detailed explanation of this impenetrable maze than this poor scribe can come up with, go knock your eyes out here: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRec_Ratings_Description.

Before M & M(Mayweather vs Mosley), Pacquiao was the #1 welter and Mayweather #2 in Boxrec. After M & M, the computer swapped their positions, even though Manny beat the bejabbers out of the guy who beat Mosley a couple years back, Cotto, and then drummed all the fight out of a fighter with near the same rank as Mosley, Clottey. Go figure as it’s all mumbo jumbo to me.

Pacquiao Does the Business

Pacquiao Does the Business

In theBoxrec P4P ranks, strangely enough Bernard Hopkins has had a stranglehold on Boxrec in spite of beating nobody of note since his singular Kelly Pavlik victory ages ago. It seems Boxrec rejiggered it’s programming in a dramatic way, as now Hopkins has lost both his P4P and Lightheavy top spots when his point totals reduced by a third. Try knocking off a third of your bank account to see how that works in the real world.

Somewhere Rube Goldberg is beaming like a proud parent.

Fightnews has a comprehensive rankings of the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO that they supplement with their own rankings in each division. There is no key as to when they do their updates, but they had Manny as #1 and Mayweather #2 before M & M, and nothing has changed.

So, the BIG DADDY of rankings has just updated it’s own after taking a vote from a myriad of sources, presumably all “boxing experts,” so let’s take a look at the latest Ring updates.

Like Boxrec, they swapped out Manny’s #1 spot with #2 Mayweather, so that Mr. Money is their new #1 welter. To quote Nigel Collins, Ring Editor in Chief, “The debate among members of THE RING’s Ratings Advisory Panel concerning who should be No. 1 pound for pound was fairly evenly divided between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather,” Collins said. “Manny and Floyd could very well be considered No. 1A and No. 1B. However, the tricky thing about the pound-for-pound ratings is that they are much more subjective than the divisional ratings, which are objective and based on results within the division.” 

Really? Well, let’s take an objective look at their very own rankings.

Mayweather has a win over their #4, Mosley, and that’s it. He hasn’t fought any other currently ranked Ring fighter.

Now compare to Paquiao, who knocked out the guy who last beat Mosley before Mayweather, Miguel Cotto, Ring #5, who did it without the hysterics of almost being knocked out like happened to Mayweather. Pacquiao also pitched a brutal shutout over the Ring #6, Clottey, so his body of work is double that of Mayweather as far as Ring rankings go.

So much for Ring objectivity in the welter ranks, so let’s move to the P4P rankings.

No change in Ring P4P ranks with Pacquiao still #1 and Mayweather #2, but wait, there’s more! Per Mr. Collins, P4P ratings are more subjective, and he’s right!

Manny has a win and draw over Ring #3, Marquez, whereas Floyd has a win over #3, Marquez, and #5, Mosley.

Well, it all becomes too much of a beauty contest for me to take seriously, which is why I tend to enjoy my little sport with the rankings. Interesting to note though that there are two new entrants in the P4P ranks that coincide with my personal list I compiled a month back, Sergio Martinez, and Pongsaklek Wonjongkam. Now I haven’t updated my own list yet as I was more interested in looking at the ranking processes of three of the most widely read rankings.

Not being on a deadline with an editor in chief breathing fire down my shorts, I can afford to wait a bit for the fur to settle out from this last tear-up. 

1 M Pacquiao
2 Timothy Bradley
3 L Bute
4 P Williams
5 JM Lopez
6 Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
7 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8 W Klitschko
9 V Klitschko
10 F Mayweather

I reinstalled Mayweather to #10, which is a shame after his stellar comeback from a certain knockout where he showed heart never exhibited by him before. Thing is Mosley was not nearly so highly ranked by me as in Ring and he almost had Mr. Money out of there. Then the spector of Mayweather backing off the scratch line of the 3/13 date that was the first concession Pacquioa granted him and backing out of the 90% drug testing concessions Manny granted him.

I also hated to bump my newly installed Sergio Martinez, but I cannot ignore the overall performance Mr. Money put on.

He’s trying to sneak in the backdoor though, so I’m gonna give him the backdoor on my own list for now and see if he can work his way up. Both my top two guys have strongly expressed an interest in fighting him as well as #4 Williams, as well as several other prime fighters of note. Prime ranked fighters in his divisions being the key point of respect if Mr. Money wants to claim he’s in the driver’s seat.

Enough of the old man tour!

Listen Up: Without Peer, The One & The Only, Archie Moore

by Bobby Mac

First off, a disclaimer needs to be noted. I have always like Archie Moore before ever consciously thinking about what he meant to boxing.

It came about naturally just as the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west.

I mean, what was there not to like about this smiling, affable, congenial, just about every friendly descriptor that could be applied to him up to and including beaming man. Yes, Archie Moore as often as not was literally beaming good vibes, happiness, confidence, just about every positive descriptor that can be conjured and beaming them to every corner of the earth.

“Now, hold on right there podnah,” I can hear you saying, “how old are you, and this Moore fella, was he a saint who boxed or what?”

The Student & The Teacher

The Student & The Teacher

Well, I tell you that The Ol’ Mongoose proved that age was irrelevant, and yes, Archie could be said to be a saint who boxed, a wise sage who boxed, a desperately hungry man who boxed, an assassin who boxed, a grandfather, father, husband, and uncle who boxed. He was all these descriptors and more.

“Oh, come on.” you say, “You’re just gonna launch into another the good ol’ days being better than now. Today’s boxers are better trained and better athletes and this ol’ git would be lucky to be ranked.”

How about I recount to you a familiar story, the story of Bernard Hopkins who has often compared himself to Archie Moore? How many fights has he won after turning 40, and how many of your modern ABC belts were on the line? 

Hang on before you scurry off, let me save you the trouble, podnah.

Hopkins’ post 40 career record is 6-3, 0 KO and 3-3 in “title” bouts that generously include the light heavy Ring title he fought for 3x. He fought from middleweight to lightheavyweight.

“Not bad for a 40 year old legend,” you say?

Yeah, but the purpose is to compare to THE LEGEND, the Ol’ Mongoose, Archie Moore, the fighter Mr. Hopkins claims to be most like.

Now, grab your crotch, I don’t want the family jewels busting open on the concrete when I give you Archie’s numbers. How’s about 43-4-2 and 10-2 in full unified title bouts, the 10 wins being his undefeated lightheavy title reign and his 2 losses to HOF heavies, Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson.

Archie Decks The Rock

Archie Decks The Rock

Most of his fights  and knockouts were against heavies, too many for me to be bothered to count. Generally he’d only fight one or two lightheavy bouts in a year, mainly title defenses, and then cash in for the remainder of the year, most against ranked heavy contenders, fringe contenders and former contenders which was where the money was.

Then we have his last loss near 50 yrs of age against young Cassius Clay. What other old man in the history of boxing goes out on his shield against class like that?  

Now, stop your yelping and listen up. Nobody in any era has come close to that record, so I ain’t trying to skewer the era of your precious Mr. Hopkins. I’m just trying to hammer home some relevant history in your noggin is all.

Moore’s was the era when men were men and didn’t run around like it was Halloween dressed as executioners making silly signs like kids out on a dungeons and dragons lark. Like Liston, Archie was widely reputed to be 2-3 yrs older than his accepted birthday, meaning his post 40 record would be greater than Hopkin’s career record, but I don’t want to rub it in too harshly so as to ruin you for your wife.

Many a HOFer mixed in that post 40  record, many more than Hopkins faced in his career.

“How did he do it,” you ask?

Beats me and most anyone who stepped into the ring with him. I’d guess he was simply a one off fistic genius who was able to meld intelligence and discipline with waning but still formidable physical attributes in a way nobody else has come close to.

 Not sure if he ever divulged all his techniques for training and losing weight, but one famous method is gut wrenching, literally. He would eat a steak by chewing it very slowly and thoroughly, bite by bite, absorbing the juices and nutrients and then spit the spent bite into a bucket.

It’s no wonder he holds the record for the most KOs in boxing. He couldn’t wait for his post fight reward, the eating of the whole steak, a luxury beyond our imagination in his world of hurt.

Buy'em Dinner After the Big KO

Buy'em Dinner After the Big KO

So when the preening wonders of modern boxing science crow about being old school Archie Moore kind of tough, you can rest assured, a gaggle of em couldn’t lift the Ol’ Mongoose’s jock strap to carry it off.

Trust me on that.