Ratings, Ring Ratings & Good Sport

by Bobby Mac

Now that the Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Shane Mosley fight has been settled in a definitive way with a wide unanimous decision by Mr. Money, the next raging debate is the welter and the P4P ranks by Ring Magazine.

Mayweather Connects

Mayweather Connects

Now, ratings are a strange thing. Almost nobody agrees with them. Even within the most widely used bodies that actually do the ratings which are done by consensus tallies, quite often there are pronounced splits leading to plurality consensus rather than an ideal comprehensive consensus.

My personal opinion is that the further from the first ranking the rank becomes, the more meaningless it becomes as objectivity and subjectivity tend to blur into a large fuzzy splot of consciousness more akin to debating the number of angels who could dance on the head of a pin as used to be all the rage by past century’s greatest intellects.

Often there is a consensus among the public as to who the top 2-3 spots are even if they disagree on the specific order.

Boxrec does the earliest updates, literally by the next day after every fight usually. It’s all done by the computer programming where an editor enters in the official results and out spits the fighter’s new point totals and ranking, making it the most objective of the rating’s system. The criteria used in the programming must have been created by Rube Goldberg’s grandson, a dense network of points for this and that and the other and points against that, this, and any other thing they can think of.

For a more detailed explanation of this impenetrable maze than this poor scribe can come up with, go knock your eyes out here: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRec_Ratings_Description.

Before M & M(Mayweather vs Mosley), Pacquiao was the #1 welter and Mayweather #2 in Boxrec. After M & M, the computer swapped their positions, even though Manny beat the bejabbers out of the guy who beat Mosley a couple years back, Cotto, and then drummed all the fight out of a fighter with near the same rank as Mosley, Clottey. Go figure as it’s all mumbo jumbo to me.

Pacquiao Does the Business

Pacquiao Does the Business

In theBoxrec P4P ranks, strangely enough Bernard Hopkins has had a stranglehold on Boxrec in spite of beating nobody of note since his singular Kelly Pavlik victory ages ago. It seems Boxrec rejiggered it’s programming in a dramatic way, as now Hopkins has lost both his P4P and Lightheavy top spots when his point totals reduced by a third. Try knocking off a third of your bank account to see how that works in the real world.

Somewhere Rube Goldberg is beaming like a proud parent.

Fightnews has a comprehensive rankings of the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO that they supplement with their own rankings in each division. There is no key as to when they do their updates, but they had Manny as #1 and Mayweather #2 before M & M, and nothing has changed.

So, the BIG DADDY of rankings has just updated it’s own after taking a vote from a myriad of sources, presumably all “boxing experts,” so let’s take a look at the latest Ring updates.

Like Boxrec, they swapped out Manny’s #1 spot with #2 Mayweather, so that Mr. Money is their new #1 welter. To quote Nigel Collins, Ring Editor in Chief, “The debate among members of THE RING’s Ratings Advisory Panel concerning who should be No. 1 pound for pound was fairly evenly divided between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather,” Collins said. “Manny and Floyd could very well be considered No. 1A and No. 1B. However, the tricky thing about the pound-for-pound ratings is that they are much more subjective than the divisional ratings, which are objective and based on results within the division.” 

Really? Well, let’s take an objective look at their very own rankings.

Mayweather has a win over their #4, Mosley, and that’s it. He hasn’t fought any other currently ranked Ring fighter.

Now compare to Paquiao, who knocked out the guy who last beat Mosley before Mayweather, Miguel Cotto, Ring #5, who did it without the hysterics of almost being knocked out like happened to Mayweather. Pacquiao also pitched a brutal shutout over the Ring #6, Clottey, so his body of work is double that of Mayweather as far as Ring rankings go.

So much for Ring objectivity in the welter ranks, so let’s move to the P4P rankings.

No change in Ring P4P ranks with Pacquiao still #1 and Mayweather #2, but wait, there’s more! Per Mr. Collins, P4P ratings are more subjective, and he’s right!

Manny has a win and draw over Ring #3, Marquez, whereas Floyd has a win over #3, Marquez, and #5, Mosley.

Well, it all becomes too much of a beauty contest for me to take seriously, which is why I tend to enjoy my little sport with the rankings. Interesting to note though that there are two new entrants in the P4P ranks that coincide with my personal list I compiled a month back, Sergio Martinez, and Pongsaklek Wonjongkam. Now I haven’t updated my own list yet as I was more interested in looking at the ranking processes of three of the most widely read rankings.

Not being on a deadline with an editor in chief breathing fire down my shorts, I can afford to wait a bit for the fur to settle out from this last tear-up. 

1 M Pacquiao
2 Timothy Bradley
3 L Bute
4 P Williams
5 JM Lopez
6 Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
7 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8 W Klitschko
9 V Klitschko
10 F Mayweather

I reinstalled Mayweather to #10, which is a shame after his stellar comeback from a certain knockout where he showed heart never exhibited by him before. Thing is Mosley was not nearly so highly ranked by me as in Ring and he almost had Mr. Money out of there. Then the spector of Mayweather backing off the scratch line of the 3/13 date that was the first concession Pacquioa granted him and backing out of the 90% drug testing concessions Manny granted him.

I also hated to bump my newly installed Sergio Martinez, but I cannot ignore the overall performance Mr. Money put on.

He’s trying to sneak in the backdoor though, so I’m gonna give him the backdoor on my own list for now and see if he can work his way up. Both my top two guys have strongly expressed an interest in fighting him as well as #4 Williams, as well as several other prime fighters of note. Prime ranked fighters in his divisions being the key point of respect if Mr. Money wants to claim he’s in the driver’s seat.

Enough of the old man tour!

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One response to “Ratings, Ring Ratings & Good Sport

  1. Pingback: Good Sport Updated~Ring Ratings vs Boxrec Ratings~Who You Got? | Bobby Mac's Straight Shooter

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