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Marquez KO Pacquiao–Time For Pacquiao/Marquez 5?

The plain unvarnished truth of the matter is after a firefight for the ages that saw both fighters hit the deck, with Marquez on the verge of being knocked out, Juan Manuel Marquez summoned up his signature right hand and delivered a knockout for the ages, felling the mighty timber of Manny Pacquiao.

That would be officially at the 2:59 mark at the end of round 6.

OK, the punch harkens back to the thunderbolt out of the blue signature left hand of Antonio Tarver that knocked out out Roy Jones at the beginning of the last decade. It felt like the universe had somehow wobbled and shifted on it’s axis, and maybe it did and maybe it shifted some more tonight.

Over & Out

Over & Out

It’s far too early for Marquez or Pacquiao to decide their next move. First the long suffering Marquez supporters have to have their fun as they prop him up on an impossible pedestal as happens to Hall of Fame fighters when they deliver their signature bout. Without Manny Pacquiao, the Marquez signature bout would have been a lesser one that saw him in just as much trouble against Juan Diaz, only to recover and knock the game Diaz cold.

It was Manny Pacquiao in their rematch at superfeatherweight who beautifully summed up his feelings after Marquez was knocked down and stormed back to knock Pacquiao into the ropes.

“You knock me out, you win……..”

Marquez finally won tonight, but he endured more than his fair share of scrutiny over his new strength and conditioning coach, Angel Heredia, aka Angel Hernandez of BALCO ilk, hired last year for the 3rd fight. He was ecstatic how much bigger and more ripped Marquez was compared to Pacquiao.  Keep in mind that this picture is from a Ring article addressing the accusations against him for showing up with the disgraced training coach and newly muscled up physique.

Here’s a comparison between the last fight in 2011 and this fight: 

Marquez 2011--Marquez 2012

Marquez 2011–Marquez 2012

Just from a visual point of view, Marquez looks like he reduced his body fat say 2% and bulked up his arms say 15%, something easily accomplished with proper weight resistance training for a guy who had never engaged in weight training as a featherweight.

OK, lets compare the Marquez of the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight when he first moved up two divisions to weigh 142 lbs, exactly one pound under what he weighed for the 4th Pacquiao installment.

Urine Tonics & Tossin' Rocks

Urine Tonics & Tossin’ Rocks

OK, the general consensus going into the Mayweather fight was that he was doing all the wrong things. While in good overall condition, he’s doughy with fat and considerably less muscular and fought a poor fight strategy.

I posited in my previous articles concerning fight 3 and 4 that Marquez was in far batter condition than he was for the Mayweather fight not to mention more acclimated at the higher weights to go along with his new trainer. He says he didn’t know about the history of Angel Heredia, aka Angel Hernandez, and that may be, but nonetheless I think he will find that the worm may have turned on his career as folks wonder how after 3 fights of never once downing Manny Pacquiao that he managed at the late age of 39 to not only down him, but knock him cold.

So, anyway, could be the stage is set for Act 5 of Marquez vs Pacquiao, or maybe Marquez can rematch Floyd Mayweather Jr who is reputed to be looking for a fight for the Cinco de Mayo weekend. Oh, but wait, Mayweather has gone on record repeatedly saying that he will never fight an Arum promoter fighter, one of the few statements of truth that he has ever uttered. He has had the pick of the Golden Boy Promotion stables to choose from the past 6 years.

However, Golden Boy Promotions has yet to answer accusations of positive Mayweather drug tests being covered up. Thomas Hauser gives the skinny here:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/the-ped-mess-part-one

The link also talks about Mayweather’s out of court settlement and public apology to Pacquiao after the supposed positive Mayweather drug tests became known  to the Pacquiao legal team.

Boxing has always been a tough, dirty business with most fighters never getting their just due for competing, it’s just a shame it has to get needlessly dirtier, but it is what it is in this era.

Like I say, it’s just too early for Marquez or Pacquiao to know where they can go from here. Pacquiao extended out his career and extra two years because of the huge amount of money on the table. Marquez might now have the luxury of that option also. Numero Cinco might possibly break PPV records, but they got to sign on the dotted line and then toe up to the scratch line to make a go of it. And don’t forget your pee cups and finger pricks. It’s a dirty and bloody sport, let’s not forget.

At any rate, Marquez KO Pacquiao for now……..enjoy…..

Unfinished Business–Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez

Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez look to finalize loose ends left from their previous meetings when they complete the last leg of their great trilogy at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Saturday, November 12th.

Pacquiao vs Marquez II

Pacquiao vs Marquez II

The official record currently stands at 24 rounds completed in two fights with Pacquiao leading 1-0-1 to 0-1-1 while scoring exactly one(1) more point in the combined scoring totals. That includes 4 credited knockdowns of Marquez and one uncredited knockdown that would have secured a unanimous decision in the 2nd fight had it been properly called by referee Kenny Bayless.

Three of the knockdowns occurred in the first round of the first fight, after which one of the judges made a very rare admission that he made a mistake in scoring that first round that would have given Pacquiao the split decision win.

Marquez fans are a relentless bunch, claiming wins for both fights, so now the table has been set for the biggest fight of Marquez’s career, a chance to secure his place among the elite after being overshadowed by great featherweights of his era, Paquiao, Barrera, and Morales, all of whom have some great featherweight trilogies for their records.

The fight is another in a series of catchweight fights for Pacquiao causing a great hue and cry among supposed purists who don’t know their boxing history much less the nuances of modern fight contracts.

https://roberto00.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/catch-22-a-history-of-boxing-catchweight-fights/

Manny’s catchweights have been part of a bonus incentive program where the fighters make more money if they come in at the contracted weight. If not, they pay a penalty much like Floyd Mayweather Jr paid to Marquez. The fight goes on regardless.

In this case, it’s Marquez asking for the catchweight, settled at 144 lbs because he is not a natural welterweight, and of course Pacquiao’s promoter loves the publicity and notoriety that the catchweights garner. Folks, it’s all about maximizing big money, something Bob Arum is an expert at no matter how many howls of protest from the impoverished critics.

Ideally, there would never be any catchweights, but outside of boxing the world is a very disorderly place, so how is boxing to be perfect in the larger imperfect world?

Marquez wanted 142 lbs, the same as he got against Mayweather, but negotiated up in order to secure his biggest payday ever, not a bad deal at all for the aging warrior. Boxing fans had hopes that he would provide a competitive contest against Mayweather, but alas, his training was literally piss poor since his self produced urine tonics and tossing about of large rocks couldn’t provide the technical nuance needed against the crafty Mayweather, surely one of the most bizarre nutritional supplements in the history of modern boxing.

Though he lost a wide technical decision on the cards, he did land a few signature right hands early in the fight, enough to keep Mayweather on the backfoot for most of the fight and resembling a Chinese contortunist as he twisted his body into incomprehensible positions to avoid the Marquez offense.

The Mayweather Pretzel Defense

The Mayweather Pretzel Defense

So Marquez is a sharp counterpunching boxer whose power has to be respected. He is susceptable to being outboxed by crafty boxer types as Freddie Norwood, Chris John, and Floyd Mayweather have shown and Pacquiao has held his own in the boxing points tallies. Pacquiao was hurt briefly in their last fight, so a knockout for Marquez is not out of the question even if it seems unlikely.

The main key for Marquez is the knockdowns he suffers from, and not only against Pacquiao.

Marquez Duffs the Canvas

There is no way he can ever win against Pacquiao if he continues to be battered to the canvas, and Marquez was more than battered in the previous two fights, he was out on his feet and quite fortunate the fight wasn’t stopped at those points.

The Marquez brothers, Juan Manuel and Rafael, are some of the toughest fighters in any era. They do not quit out of sheer stubborness, nor do they or their supporters concede any of their defeats. These are very proud men, a noble attribute for sure, but one that has doomed many a misfortunate who lacked the judgment to know when to give in or make an adjustment, so can Marquez make the adjustment for this fight?

He can start by losing his urine tonics and hire a respected nutritionist and physical trainer to gain the weight properly, something he failed to do against Mayweather.

Now Marquez is steeping a tempest in a teapot with the hiring of controversial strength and conditioning coach Angel Hernandez, AKA Angel Heredia who was affiliated with convicted felon of the BALCO Laboratories, Victor Conte. Marquez claims not to have known about the past of Hernandez which pretty much exposes the lack of quality professional advice from his team, but at least Marquez should be in better shape this time around than he was for Mayweather.

That is what Manny Pacquiao has done for boxing. He whips his opponents into their best ever conditioning before comprehensively whipping them in the ring, so is Marquez now following down the same treacherous path?

Boxing has never seen such out of the ring exploits of the likes of Manny Pacquiao. Movie star, recording artist, and serving Congressman in his district in the Philippines, not to mention devoted husband and father, there is simply no known past model that can predict when or if the monumental out of ring distractions will take their toll on his boxing.

Though Marquez is the older fighter at age 38, the 31 yr old Pacquiao has almost caught his 59 career fights with 58 career fights against better competition, most significantly at higher weights these past three years. Marquez has logged more overall rounds, 432 to 341 for Pacquiao, but Pacquiao has been taking the stiffer shots against bigger fighters, so both have significant wear, yet they’ve remained two of Ring Magazine’s favorite P4P fighters over the decade.

vs Marquez 2008

vs Marquez 2008

 Pacquiao last fought Marquez only three years ago as a super featherweight and followed up by destroying Ring Magazine’s top welters who appeared on their covers that year, De la Hoya, Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley. Few in boxing would have believed that possible then, yet the critics remain unsatisfied.  

vs De La Hoya

Boxing is a business first and foremost and Pacquiao has worked as hard as any fighters in history to arrive at this spot where he can afford the luxury of fighting “only” twice a year. His political responsibilities are such that he should be hardpressed to fight even once a year and in fact, he has delayed his retirement the past 2 yrs because of all the money on the table for him and the big fights still available like this one.

vs Margarito

vs Margarito

The Marquez trilogy could be the biggest money fight of his career once the PPV totals come in which leads to another relevant point lost on the average boxing fan. Pacquiao is the first ever featherweight to command a PPV fight and looks poised to break the record for the most career PPV fights currently held by Oscar De La Hoya. More importantly, his PPV numbers over the past 3 yrs has set a new record first set by Mike Tyson.

He’s no longer the little Filipino fella with a funny name trying to make a name in America any more, though at the 146 lbs or so he currently enters the ring at, he is small for modern welters who sometimes come into the ring weighing over the middleweight limit come fight night. No matter the size, Pacquiao continues to rearrange the known boxing universe as we know it.

Cotto vs Mosley

Cotto vs Mosley

In spite of sweeping every consensus award as the decade’s best boxer, surely Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao know that he has to conclusively nail down this final fight with Marquez to get full credit for the rivalry.

Is Marquez just that sort of stubborn fighter who refuses to budge to the greatness of Pacquiao, or has Marquez been living on borrowed time at the fringes of officiating mistakes all these years?

The Bottom Line:

Pacquiao will be the substantial favorite. In the 7 fights since their rematch, Pacquiao has dominated superior competition with 4 straight knockouts followed by 3 straight shutout decisions. Marquez has sometimes struggled in the points tallies and has continued to get knocked down or otherwise hurt in some of his 6 fights since, but he is the Ring lightweight champ even as he has slipped in the P4P rankings, currently Ring #5 and Boxrec #7 . In contrast, Pacquiao is #1 in every significant rating known to man.

I don’t see how Marquez can survive this latest version of Pacquiao, but Manny did seem to let up after his beatdowns of Margarito and Mosley, so could be Marquez survives yet again to tell the tale of being robbed.

Full props to all the parties who helped to tie down this difficult loose end for good. Marquez had to leave Goldenboy Promotions who chose not to match the Arum offer.

Boxing fans tend to be an emotional lot and these two fighters bring out a bitter rivalry between the two groups. Some may moan about the completion of a great trilogy, but both Marquez and Pacquiao are richly deserving of this final battle to settle things once and for all.

The link for Pacquiao/Marquez 4 here:

https://roberto00.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/pacquiao-vs-marquez-4-the-money/

Pacquiao vs Marquez III

Pacquiao vs Marquez III