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Good Sport Updated~Ring Ratings vs Boxrec Ratings~Who You Got?

Well folks, the “boxing experts” who purport to know all about boxing so as to fill our empty noggins with their boxing “expertise” seem to be completely at odds with each other here. No surprises there since boxing is a sport with rules that “boxing experts” often ignore so as to benefit “the chosen” for personal gain or other purpose. Nobody can even say with any degree of certainty from fight to fight which biases the referee will show or how close or far apart the fight scores will be. And for whom? Naturally this is passed on in their ranking systems, in this example being in dire opposition to each other, a perfect draw in boxing terms, but is it really?

You can see some fun I previously had with Ring rankings here, utter hilarity distilled just for you:

https://roberto00.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/ratings-ring-ratings-good-sport/

Anyways, ahem, the current Ring P4Pers were elected by rather large committee circle of…”experts”…are thus:

  • 1. ROMAN GONZALEZ Record: 43-0-0 (37 KOs)
    Ranking:This Week: 1 | Last Week: 1 | Weeks On List: 68
    Title: RING, WBC flyweight
    2. Andre Ward Record: 28-0-0 (15 KOs)
    Ranking:This Week: 2 | Last Week: 2 | Weeks On List:
    No title
    3. Sergey Kovalev Record: 28-0-1 (25 KOs)
    Ranking:This Week: 3 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 28
    Title: WBO, IBF, WBA light heavyweight
    4. Gennady Golovkin Record: 33-0-0 (30 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 4 | Last Week: 4 | Weeks On List: 32
    Title:WBA middleweight
    5. Guillermo Rigondeaux Record: 15-0-0 (10 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 5 | Last Week: 5 | Weeks On List: 109
    Title: RING, WBO, WBA jr. featherweight
    6. Wladimir Klitschko Record: 64-3-0 (53 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 6 | Last Week: 6 | Weeks On List: 268
    Title: RING, IBF, WBO, WBA heavyweight
    7. Terence Crawford Record: 26-0-0 (18 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 7 | Last Week: 7 | Weeks On List: 21
    Title: WBO jr. welterweight
    8. Manny Pacquiao Record: 57-6-2 (38 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 617
    No title
    9. Shinsuke Yamanaka Record: 24-0-2 (17 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 9 | Last Week: 9 | Weeks On List: 19
    Title: WBC bantamweight

    10. Kell Brook Record: 35-0-0 (24 KOs)
    Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: 10 | Weeks On List: 2  Title: IBF

    OK, now on to boxrec rankings for comparison. Boxrec uses computer accumulated points which are the first emboldened numbers to go along with each fighter record, the most unbiased rankings regardless of various human errors in assigning the points for various performance measures:

    1. Wladimir Klitschko Dr Steelhammer 1330 64-3 heavyweight

    2. Gennady Golovkin GGG 1078 33-0 middleweight

    3. Saul Alvarez Canelo 1075 45-1-1 super welterweight

    4. Sergey Kovalev Krusher 999 28-0-1 light heavyweight

    5. Manny Pacquiao Pac Man 913 57-6-2 welterweight

    6. Miguel Cotto Junito 887 40-4 middleweight

    7. Kell Brook Special K 863 35 0 0 29 welterweight

    8 Keith Thurman One Time 835 26 0 0 26 welterweight

    9 Erislandy Lara The American Dream 781 21-2-2 super welterweight

    10 Adonis Stevenson Superman 777 27-1 lightheavy

    11. Terence Crawford Bud 760 26-0 jr welterweight

    18. Andre Ward 637 Son of God 28-0 supermiddleweight

    23. Guillermo Rigondeaux 564 El Chacal 15-0  superbantamweight

    29. Roman Gonzalez 519 Chocolatito 43-0  Flyweight

    90. Shinsuke Yamanaka  342 24-0-2 Bantamweight

    OK, first most glaring contradiction in the two rating systems is Roman Gonzalez being first in Ring yet only 29th in Boxrec due to being in a lower weight class of a smaller population of fighters compared to the more populous larger divisions. In context to the way they do their rankings, the Boxrec #1 P4P female, Delfine Persoon who operates in the lightweight division with a population of only 115 total females, she has only accumulated 172 points in contrast to the Gonzalez 519 points with  a male flyweight population of 709. Cecilia Braekhus is the undefeated 27-0 female welter champ widely acclaimed, yet only 10th P4P due to an exceedingly low welter population of 37 females, so fighter population, ie competition, is important to Boxrec rankings.

    If we combine Choco’s two ratings and divide by two for an average, we’d get a 15th rank which seems appropriate even if he has proven to be a beast in his 3 divisions. He could continue to accumulate points in Boxrec to rise further, but let’s move on to other glaring abnormalities.

    Boxrec has Golovkin #2 which seems about right given a general public consensus that he should be #1, but Ring lists the inactive Andre Ward #2 in spite of his gross inactivity in the supermiddleweight division dating back at least 2 years. He also refuses to leave California except when he was forced one single time by the Super Six Tourney, yet he was still at home in New York against a true international fighter in Carl Froch. Boxrec rankings seem more justified in that regard as Ward, 18th, simply wants to sit on his hometown canned record like another American supposed great, TUE 49-0, did for 9 consecutive years.

    Ring has Kovalev and Golovkin ranked 3 and 4 to Boxrec’s Canelo and Kovalev as 3 and 4, so we have only a small measure of congruancy due to Canelo being unranked by Ring in spite of being previously ranked and only losing a majority decision to TUE 49-0, otherwise cleaning out the 154 division at 155lb catchweights as he built to the highly anticipated showdown with Miguel Cotto who is Boxrec ranked. Advantage Boxrec as the Haymon/Goldenboy News of the Ring world simply cannot justify not having Canelo somewhere at this point.

    TUE nose knows it!

    TUE nose knows it!

    Boxrec has Manny Pacquiao ranked 5th, but Ring has dropped him down to 8th in between untested Crawford and Yamanaka in spite of Manny holding the P4P records by a long shot for the most P4P fights, wins, and longest duration in their P4P ratings. We’re talkin’ spiteful Ring ignorance squared x 10 me thinks.

    Moving on, Ring has their former #2, Wlad Klitschko, mysteriously demoted to #6 in spite of starting to tie and break Joe Louis’ heavyweight records set 8 decades ago. Axe to grind? What more can any fighter do than that? He’s sandwiched between the unusually gunshy, barely tested Rigondeaux who hasn’t fought a Ring ranked fighter in two years, preferring to be knocked down by international type journeymen for chump change, and the inexperienced Crawford who is a very good fighter becoming great, but not yet. Wlad has more knockouts than their victories combined and near 5x their combined title wins. Such “boxing experts” represent a gross American bias against foreign greats who have been supplanting their own greats, further magnified by the pitiful dirth of American fighters these days, especially at the contender levels.

    Knocked Cold

    Knocked Cold

    So now we’re down to Ring’s Yamanaka and Brook ranked 9 and 10, so there’s some overlap with Boxrec who ranks Brook 6th, but Yamanaka only ranked 90th down to being inexperienced in a low population of fighters. Yamanaka would be 50th if we combined rankings, not bad, but hardly a P4P top 10. What were Ring’s “experts” ever thinking, or were they? To think or not to think must be the burning question raging inside empty noggins.

    In Boxrec lower 10, they have Miguel Cotto, Keith Thurman, Erislandy Lara, and Adonis Stevenson, none of whom Ring ranks. Cotto I can see because of his long excellence and competitive losses, but Thurman and Stevenson are still relatively unproven being held back by their sugardaddy, Al Haymon. The always running, too scared to fight, feather fisted Lara barely has twenty wins to go with two losses and two draws in terrible performances, but again, there’s not a lot to pick from. Crawford, Ward, Rigondeaux, Yamanaka are all out of Boxrec’s top ten. I could see Crawford and Gonzalez squeaking in based on their startling performances and anticipated years of peak performances.

    Gone is Gone

    Gone is Gone

    I say Boxrec rankings are considerably better, so there it is, the mystery meat of sports, boxing, being served up on the public platter for consumption…yum…who’s on first, no, wait, he’s on third, wait, which way is up and where’s my candy bar and envelope? Only in boxing.

Miguel Cotto Defends vs Daniel Geale

After a long layoff from boxing, WBC middleweight champ Miguel Cotto will make his first defense against Daniel Geale, June 6, Barclays Center in Brooklyn. This is also Cotto’s debut under his new promotional banner, Jay Z’s Roc Nation.

The bout will be contested at 157 pounds which favors Cotto as the smaller man. Geale is an unlikely looking top contender in a physical sense, being tall and stringy with little muscle definition, but maybe not so skinny as to have problems with making 157. Then again, it’s been 9 years since he weighed in under 159, even fighting in the 160s on occasion.

Geale In Fighting Trim

Geale In Fighting Trim

Regardless, it’s another traditional catchweight fight that drives modern boxing fans crazy. Whatever Geale’s few flaws are, light punching being perhaps most prominent, he’s a true fighter at core and cannot turn down this title opportunity against a really big name with the so called “lineal” middleweight title wrapping up everything so beautifully.

Should be a good scrap though with a rare Puerto Rican vs Aussie rivalry backdrop and a chance to see of Cotto can continue to improve under his new trainer Freddie Roach. I favor Cotto, but this is definitely a potential banana skin slip up in the making if he ain’t firing on all cylinders.

The huge payday against Canelo Alvarez would then go kaputsky though they could still stage a fight for decent money. If he wins, I’d say he’s also in the running for the Floyd Mayweather Jr rematch at another catchweight, say 155 lbs for Cotto’s WBC “lineal title” middleweight belt, but Geale comes first.  

With Fightin' Ladies

With Fightin’ Ladies

Canelo Says James Kirkland Is It.

A HUGE fight for Mexican and American boxing when Saul Canelo Alvarez takes on James Mandingo Warrior Kirkland May 9th at Minute Maid Park in Houston, Tex, home of the Astros. The park has a retractable roof, so it may or may not be “outdoors” depending on the weather, but with an expected full house of over 40,000 fans, for sure it’s the kind of fresh, mega event that boxing desperately needs.

Canelo vs Mandingo Warrior

Canelo vs Mandingo Warrior

In a sad note for US boxing, it will be the non-Mexican looking Mexican Saul “Canelo” Alvarez who is the star and the fight favorite, not to mention the screaming favorite of  the predominate Mexican heritage fans in attendance. The puzzled 31 year old Kirkland will be the more powerful, aggressive fighter looking to put even more screams on young Canelo and his fans as his formidable 32-1, 28 KO record suggests. He was offered this fight back in 2013, but priced himself out with an outrageous $3 million purse demand, ultimately being bounced out of Golden Boy Promotions for his insolence. He will be making considerably less than his previous expectations, that is a certainty, but this fight is for more than just money now.

Kirkland originally started his career as a young, irresistible, knockout phenom and was quickly snatched up by Golden Boy who did a great job with his development. Unfortunately Kirkland repeatedly ran afoul of the law and served time on 2 separate occasions which greatly infringed on that development. He skipped last year, 2014, entirely, apparently upset over piddling fights and purses offered to him by his new promoter and Floyd Mayweather rival, 50 cent. Now he’ll need to knock off ring rust with his work cut out for him to win this bout since the amazingly young 24 year old Canelo is more skilled and experienced. He may also possess as much power as Kirkland, in short a bad set of counter combinations coming the defensively lax Kirkland’s way.

The fight will be held at a 155 lb contract weight that both will seriously struggle to make. Canelo looked half dried out, dead and buried, turning a scary hue of blue at his 152 lb catchweight weighin against Floyd Mayweather. He’s since been trying to hang on to the fringes of the 154 division in a series of 155 lb catchweight bouts just in case Mayweather comes calling again this year. Canelo was also willing to fight new 160 lb champ Miguel Cotto with a signed contract earlier this year, but Cotto was too busy changing up his promotional agreements with Top Rank to take that fight, so enter Kirkland as Plan B. Certainly the bulky Kirkland also needs to move up to 160, but he has always been too involved in negative outside influences to properly develop his career which has been something of a mishmash of weights. All I know is these guys are playing with the the worst kind of fire trying to make these unnatural weights as are many other fighters. Canelo will likely be over 170 come fight night, and Kirkland might be 180 or over.

Mainly this looks to finally be a great fight for the fans after Canelo consecutively took on 3 straight American stinker/spoiler styles to very little acclaim and credit. He needs an all action fight as he works his way back into a desolate boxing landscape at Golden Boy Promotions after their acrimonious divorce from Al Haymon. Haymon also took most of the GBP fighters with him in the swindle of the new boxing century that is still being played out. Oscar de la Hoya did win a private settlement against former honcho Richard Schaefer who engineered those deals, but, it’s not clear if De La Hoya can shake his substance abuse problems to resurrect what used to be an up and coming promotional juggernaut. A big Canelo win would be a much needed jumpstart to what looks to a slow year for them.

And speaking of, Mr. cent’s promotional debut was highly welcomed by boxing and fans as much needed new promotional blood, yet since has been slowly circling the drain as his biggest stars fizzled. A big Kirkland win gives both a monumental kick upstairs for bigger fights, so this opportunity is like manna raining from the heavens for them.

It’s a certainty that nobody has yet seen the best possible Kirkland, but if he does show up well trained with some new skills and wrinkles, will it be enough?

Not many know or remember that the teen aged Canelo more than held his own in many spirited sparring sessions against the best middleweight fighter today, Gennedy Golovkin. Yes, that Triple G, mi compadres, is some serious experience under the worst kind of punching pressure. Kirkland also looks impossibly strong at his best, his best fights being his last two against Mexican Carlos Molina and American Glen Tapia. The light swatting Molina put him in one hell of a fight where Kirkland injured an arm that had to undergo surgery afterwards, yet still managed to brutalize Molina with some big shots at the end that sent Molina’s manager scrambling into the ring to save his fighter. Kirkland didn’t get enough credit for the incredible heart he showed with that fight, and now his stellar knockout of Tapia  last year is long forgotten in a “what have you done lately” world of boxing.

Kirkland is also a lefty, one of the modern explosion of southpaw contenders and champs that far outweighs their prevalence in the general population. Lefties have proven tough to beat overall and few fighters like to fight them, not even lefties themselves like to fight each other. Erislandy Lara and Austin Trout are recent southpaws that Canelo beat, but they were faint hearted spoiler types that have little relevance in preparation for the bludgeoning, bluntforce aggression of Kirkland. Canelo, started his career as a 15 year old against stronger, more mature fighters, so this is nothing really new for him. All he really needs is to be in good fight shape with decent sparring as Kirkland will put him through his paces for sure.

Regardless, Canelo said the Kirkland fight is on, and so it shall be as a rare treat for the fans. Stay tuned for the rock’em, sock’em finale.

Canelo Alvarez To Resurrect Golden Boy?

After beating “los burritos de perros” out of Alfredo Angulo and then turning Erislady Lara into the post fight presser joke, Canelo Alvarez must have liked the hearty responses to his fight performance and punchlines and now looks to add a few more combos on the Lara noggin come Saturday, July 12th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. This Canelo “event” will headline another modest  Showtime Pay Per View attempt as his Golden Boy combine moves to build him into boxing’s replacement PPV cash cow after the recent Mayweather exit.

The 31 year old Lara is one of the dozens “may or may not be” Golden Boy fighters who are now advised, re: managed and promoted by boxing’s stealthiest Wizard, the forever lurking behind the curtains in the dark shadows of the dimmest light, the daylight, nightlight, and always brightlight avoiding Al Haymon. The southpaw Cuban, 19-1-2, 12 KO, was a touted amateur star who managed to “defect” twice before he was able to make his pro career debut in Turkey and now has been “advised” into the interim WBA World light middleweight title whilst fighting out of the United States to the sparest  acclaim imaginable.

The big shakeup at Goldenboy Promotions when honcho Richard Schaefer resigned after a long time dispute with head honcho Oscar De La Hoya and Top Rank head honcho Bob Arum will have their impact on this fight. Schaefer is closely aligned with Al Haymon and was the front and center force in getting this fight signed and off to an early promotional start. What the full repercussions of this seismic promotional upheaval and the future Golden Boy/Haymon related fights may still be unknown, but they’re out there waiting to pounce for better or worse when their time is ripe.

Canelo~Golden Boy Post Rehab~The American Dream

This will be waged as 12-round non-title bout at a “catchweight” between 153-155 pounds to give the ever growing Alvarez a chance to ease into the middleweight division as he did with his last fight against Afredo Angulo at 155 lbs. The soon to be 24 year old Alvarez eased into the junior middleweight division from the welter division in the same manner to great success, success that Lara has been desperate to trump via vehement twitter challenges that have finally brought him this fight, so what are his chances?

Truth be told, Lara’s performance against top fighters has been lucky at best. His best showing was his last against former WBA champ Austin Trout who must be wondering where it all went wrong after back to back knockdown, decision losses to Alvarez and then Lara. Before that Lara looked not long for this world after Alfredo Angulo cracked open his eggshell chin and spaghettied his drumstick pins into chicken cassiatore before being suddenly being suddenly derailed by an alien soft tissue softball popping up over his eye. There was also Lara’s weak spoiling efforts against Paul Williams where he showed he was a great fighter for 30 seconds of every round, giving away the other two and a half minutes with a gold medal worthy track meet performance that had me thinking he was in the wrong sport. Then hows about his droopingly dreary drawers…err…draws against contenders Vanes Martirosyan and Carlos Molina that put him in the same class as nobody special that fewer still even care to remember him by?

There are no big money fighters available now for Alvarez in the 154 division which is currently as weak as a litter of newborn kittens, so why they are handicapping his marketability by making this a PPV probably has it’s roots in unreasonable promotional greed. The biggest Alvarez fights may be already mapped out against newly resurgent Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao now that Golden Boy looks to be working with Top Rank. Those are huge PPV numbers and fights worthy enough to draw in the general public for a spectacle, so in the interim Golden Boy needs to keep his PPV bandwagon on the move.

Lara has long fantasized about crashing their party for another chance to redeem his “American Dream” moniker, his biggest fight ever to prove he can do more than just pose as a touted Cuban amateur talent, but he has to improve substantially if he is ever to reach the potential that his few vehement fans insist on seeing in him. That’s a big unknown to be going against a professional fighter who worked his way through the boxing ranks old school Mexican style before signing with Golden Boy as an 18 year old phenom, currently 43-1-1, 31 KO, more than double the career of Lara. Two more contrasting careers and personalities cannot be be found in boxing even if their boxing instincts almost guarantee a fairly dull bout of natural counterpunchers attempting to counter-counterpunch each other on top of Lara also being runner.

Scratch Alvarez hard enough though and his caged Mexican fighter instincts get unleashed, something the rather meek and mild Lara is not likely to arouse unless he unveils a more aggressive style that might make this PPV worthy. Given the recent failures of his fellow defector Cubanos Odlanier Solis and Yuri Gamboa, the pressure is building on Lara like never before, so how will he respond?

Another intriguing question: How many strings does Al Haymon have left to pull after the big shakeup at Golden Boy?

When Alvarez went against Mayweather, De La Hoya cracked under the heat and ducked out on his fighter to check into isolated drug rehab, thus leaving Canelo without protection from the officiating manipulations of the sharks who run boxing. While few are praying for Lara to be the new hope in boxing, this fight has decision stamped all over it and boxing has lost faith with the public over their Three Blind Mice white stick scoring system. We can only await awash in baited breath for their next preordained travesty.

The supporting undercard is also rather meek and mild with Juanma Lopez being the single unrepentant slugger of any note on the promotion. No spectacular Mexican holiday fireworks extravaganza this, so best be caught up on your sleep and modest in your weekend beverage intake to perhaps appreciate the finer technical maneuverings that might reveal themselves in the course of their deliberate dickerings over who shall be the finest boxer on the night…oh mirror, mirror in the ring, who’s the prettiest in his bling?

Locked & Loaded @155lbs X 2

Locked & Loaded @155lbs X 2