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Bobby Mac Updates the Manny Pacquiao vs Jeff Horn Scoring Travesty

Pacquiao vs Horn Scoring Update:

Folks will be getting a full Monty here using my simplified scoring system scoring points for fighters, not deductions of fighters as is the current incompetent system of scoring. Moreover, I eliminate 90% of the useless padded points boxing uses to cover up the incompetency of their current scoring system. I included abbreviated rd by rd notes that I take in watching every fight as I score it. I liked both fighters going into the bout and knew Horn wasn’t the expected patsy being portrayed. Fighters did their job and put on a real humdinger of a fight, but because of the judging, that great fight was quickly abandoned for an unjustified ugly scoring squabble. True fighters such as these deserve better no matter who wins.

The lack of boxing oversight credibility in this new age of boxing videos and big screens and boxing forums where fans can actually input their views pretty much dooms boxing to an ever diminishing market for a product the average sporting fan can’t understand any more than the idiotic announcers boxing chooses to run boxing in the gutter even further.

Here’s what Horn and Pacquiao looked like late in the fight. Being busted up is only one indicator of how the fight has gone, but Manny is bleeding from unintentional headbutts born of the orthodox/southpaw awkward footwork and body positioning, not legal punches. That’s the reason southpaws used to be converted to orthodox righty because they were a nightmare to fight because of that awkwardness. At any rate because of being so much older in so many fights, Pacquiao is the one that is supposed to have the busted facial features, not Horn.

1. Horn 1-0 Pac– P defense good, but H very aggress/hit on break-P knock H gum out-rough round for P but gains traction.

2. Pac 1-0 Horn-H broken rhythm style tuff to crack/exchange favor P-P combo as P show more aggress now-

3. Pac 1-0 Horn– Great action fight-H aggress but P box/move/good in exchanges/smiling at such a good fight

4. Pac 0-0 Horn– both aggress-H throw P down- H aggress but P with R Hooks, maybe tired.

5. Pac 0-0 Horn– H aggress and P box/pic shots- H prove tuff customer

6. Pac 0-0 Horn– H bull P to rope/maul- P OK- time for butt-P cleared by doc- P box-H good Rt-nobody hurt in fight yet

7. Horn 1-0 Pac– Exchange- H slow but bull P to ropes/exchange/time for P butt that hurt P/P to ropes

8. Pac 1-0 Horn– Ref good job- H aggress-P move and pic shots/H down from Rt but maybe feet tangle- No KD

9. Pac 1+1-0 H– H aggress but not as much-P pick shots/batters H around ring/H on shaky legs but not down

10. Pac 1-0 Horn– H aggress-P rest w/good combos/move-H still game

11. Pac 1-0 Horn– H aggress/grab/rassle- P sharp combos/H time for glove tape repair/tired trick by corner

12. Pac 1-0 Horn– H bull to ropes- P box well/H time for glove tape repair/exchanges favor P- H grab/bell and P with furious shadow flurry showing he’s ready for more

By rounds my score is Pac 7/Horn 2/Even 3. Pac dominated the latter half of the fight as Horn tired, and if I assign Even Rounds to Horn that makes it 7-5 still for Pac.

By my simplified rd by rd scoring, Pac scored 8 points(7+1), Horn scored 2 points, and 3 rounds were scored zero points. Current boxing rules ignore even rounds as other sports rightly score non scoring possessions as zero. There were no foul deductions or knockdowns to add any additional points to the fighter totals, just the one dominant round by Pac that netted him one extra point, so by my points scoring, 8-2 for Pac.

Of course the judges scores read like basketball scores where 90% of the points are useless padded points.

Official scores 117-111, 115-113, 115-113, all for Horn.

Aggregate judge cards here. First 4 rounds all match, and then all helter skeltor breaks out:

Horn’s Brisbane celebration 4 days later. Note both eyes still in recovery:

FULL FIGHT HERE:

***EDIT in WBO 5 judge panel results along with Compubox numbers:

The anonymous WBO scorecards yield Horn 3, Manny 1, and 1 Draw, meaning they scored the fight much closer, but no other big pro sport has 3 separate scores and scoring controversies every other week, sometimes a half dozen in the week save boxing.

Thing is, today Compubox and it’s copycats are just as viable as the shaky judges, and here is that summary:

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  • Compubox stats showed that Pacquiao landed 182 out of 573 punches thrown (32%), whilst Horn landed 92 of 625 thrown (15%).
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Manny Pacquiao Hones In On Aussie Jeff Horn

Manny Pacquiao, 59-6-2, 38 KO defends his WBO welter title down under in the topsyturvy world of Australia this Sunday, July 2nd against Jeff Horn, 16-0-1, 11 KO @ Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane, Queensland. That would be late AM hours in Oz as opposed to 11 PM US east coast time working through the time zones to the US west coast 8 PM time. Yes, such time zone warps are the bane broadcast programmers, but such is the modern age we live in.

As we can see, Horn looks to have not only advantage of youth, but that of size, well, except for the massive fist Pac sports. Pacquiao also has a massive number of rounds in the bank, 443 compared to Horn’s 94 professional rounds, but as we all know how ye olde boxing saw goes, Manny could also turn old overnight with all that wear and tear.

The usual hue and cry of derision echoes around the boxing world when when Manny or any acclaimed fighter doesn’t fight the fighters certain fans demand no matter the improbability of the impossible details unknown to them. And let’s face facts, Horn is scarcely known outside of Australia, but make no mistake, this a fighter behind that school marm background. In the last three years, the collective record of those 10 opponents has been 240-29-7 that averages to a 24-3-1 record when they fought him. And of those ten fights, Horn notched 6 KOs, so clearly he’s not one to pussy foot around the business end of boxing. He’s 29 years old, the traditional peak of athletic prime years, and is solidly experienced even if lacking championship experience. Though unranked by Ring, his Boxrec ranking is impressively #12, and Boxrec rankings are comprehensively inclusive of ALL of boxing and less biased because they are coldly formulaic without blind passions that “boxing experts” bring to rankings.

Trainer, Glenn Rushton, taught Horn in a sort of philosophy of fighting, an unpredictable boxing style he calls “broken rhythm pressure fighting.” Don’t know if such is an original idea or an old one put into modern terms for modern fighters, but I could see evidence of a very unique style Horn used to systematically take apart the still powerfully formidable and experienced Randall Bailey, a 3x champ, end result being he retired on his stool after the 7th round. Bailey had been down over half dozen times, a couple of KDs mixed in with obviously weakened legs leaving him off balance and skating around disastrously on thin ice.

Some good background info where Horn admits to being more nerd than natural fighter, so had to be molded much like Gene Tunney. Manny on the other hand, though of course taught at a high level, was a natural born fighter much like Jack Dempsey or Roberto Duran.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39866485

That said, most think Manny dispatches Horn easily, perhaps notching a KO denied him in a couple of previous fights because of illicit maneuvers by dubious referees. Let’s face it, more and more refs are giving extended long counts as much as 20 or more seconds, plenty of time for fit fighters to recover, so let’s expand on that fitness theme. Manny signs his opponents about 4 months in advance that gives them extra time to train with an extended training camp needed to have any chance against Manny and do proper promotional preparations. Compare to the typical Al Haymon fighter like TUE 49-0 or Deontay Wilder who play TBA fighters off each other until the last minute before signing them for peanuts with insufficient time to train for a big fight. Although the rules of boxing were originally designed to provide fair officiating of fights, backroom skulduggery as often as not still has a place at the table of these shady fighter teams.

Horn is a ring centered fighter using angles and nifty footwork for his offense and defense, not the modern contemptible run and duck and stink style that has regrettably led to the sinking of American boxing. So all in all this promises plenty of fan friendly action, and more importantly, since it will be on a late Sunday morning in Australia, it’s gonna be on ESPN, not HBO PPV. 60,000 crazed Aussies are expected to pack Suncorp Stadium for the fight!

Manny’s Uncle Bob says he’s staging a world tour for Manny, ostensibly to  expand his worldwide profile even more than it already registers off the charts in advance of his anticipated Filipino presidential run in the coming years. As such, this may well be the last year for the 38 year old Manny who had a perfect attendance record in the Philippine senate before his last fight.

So why not have the fighting senator go up against the fighting teacher on the world stage? Both could bring home some honor to those professions currently under fire for long standing, seemingly intractable problems born largely of the the political system they operate in.

Former sparmate Jack Asis Presents Manny With Toowoomba Aboriginal Art Glove Charting His Life Journey.

Former Filipino sparmate Jack Asis Presents Manny With Toowoomba Aboriginal Art Glove Charting Manny’s Life Journey.

Grizzled Aussie Green Eggs & Ham Grill Off~Danny Green vs Anthony Mundine

Danny Green, 35-5, 28 KO, tangles with arch enemy Anthony Mundine, 47-7, 27 KO, on Friday, Feb 3, @ Adelaide Oval, North Adelaide, South Australia.

Should be interesting by differing styles, sizes and advanced ages, Green being the older at 43 years as the bigger, more powerful slugger, and Mundine being the younger at 41 years as the anorexic, weaker, stinker style of boxer and personality. Supposedly he won’t be standing for the Aussie national anthem because of claims of Aboriginal heritage. Be interesting to see how the financials and public support end up being given Aussie welterweight Jeff Horn is likely to be fighting Filipino welter star Manny Pacquiao on these shores in one of the biggest Aussie fights in history.

First Fight

First Fight

Possibly the winner of Green/Mundine could advance to a minor world title shot, perhaps even in this fight given the plethora of belts floating around boxing these days. Supposedly the local Aussie Cruiser title is being defended by Green. For most of boxing, not many to care much about this bout. It’s more about Green and Mundine being the last of the top Aussie fighters of their eras with little to replace them save Horn, so there it is in a nutshell.